410/45Lc the 45 is something you can shoot lots of , but 410- 3inch mag is nasty at both ends of the firearm ,but one thing I know I only want to be at the back end. when you see the damage at 2 to5 yards,no thanks . . when my buddy shot the 3inch Winchester PDX1.410 Defender load with discs and bb load . he burst out laughing and said my god no thanks , YES SIR NO SIR , great defence for riding sky train ,if only you could pack !! FUN FUN FUN THOUGH -LOVE IT, Everybody I show it to gets a great big smile (grin) on there face and says what is it! My God ,they pick it up put it down , then pick it up touch it admire it put it down they can’t stop admiring it beautiful they say so cool what a great piece of quality workman ship . One fellow thought I would of paid $2000, when told him the price he said no way. Everybody wants to shoot it.